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  1. #1
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    External glycol cooling

    Would like to do the following:
    Wrap flexible tubing around a 130 gallon fermentor. Cycle a 27 degree glycol mixture thru this tubing to control the fermentor temperature. How do I figure out how many feet and what size of tubing I need and what is better smaller or bigger tubing. Would it be best to wrap the whole tank or parts of it?

    Thanks

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    The Frankenbrew answer

    I forgot most of the heat transfer I learned in college but if you want to size it appropriately, you would need the temperature of the surrounding air, the temperature that you plan on holding the beer, the heat transfer coefficient of the stainless steel and the copper, the square inches of the fermenter, the square inches of the copper that's touching the fermenter, the square inches of the copper that's exposed to air, etc. Ah yes, engineering school was fun . That being said, I'd throw the heat transfer book to the side and just use the frankenbrew video as a reference. In the video, it looks like Tom used about 10 bands of 1/2'' copper to wrap around a 7bbl grundy and that was able to both hold the temperature at fermentation as well as drop the beer to conditioning temperatures. So assuming a 36'' diameter grundy, that would be about 1130 inches of copper tubing he used (pi x 36'' x 10) for 7bbls. Also keep in mind that his was an un-insulated tank so by insulating, you might be able to go much shorter. Sounds like the fermenter you're using is around a 4bbl fermenter so somewhere around 500 feet would be my first start and even that may be overkill.

    I'd say the diameter of the coil isn't as important as how much of the copper is actually touching the tank. If you go with larger copper tubing, just make sure you tap it down to be as flat as possible against the fermenter. I'd also try to get at least 1 coil towards the bottom of the cone since a lot of the "yeast heat" is going to be down there. Hope this helps some.

    Cheers,
    Jared Kueker
    Kaskaskia Brewing Company

  3. #3
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    This will cost you more in copper tubing, refrigeration costs and insulation than the cost of a good used 5 or 6 BBL jacketed FV. Move what you have into a temperature controled space and buy a new FV.
    Don't forget about outside ambiant temperatures and be sure you can locate the FV on the North side of your building out of direct sunlight, as this will save you money in refrigeration costs.

    100' of copper tubing will cost you $120.00, Insulation (I assume you will want to remove this at some date) 2" Neoprene 13 sheets at $277/ sheet plus shipping, Some kind of solar block fabric or fabric and sealer (paint) at $200, Labor to install at $500 or more and you're at a little over $4400. Not to mention fittings and tubing to connect to the glycol unit, valves and controls.

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    Last edited by Scott M; 08-18-2011 at 05:10 PM.
    Scott Maurer
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