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    Cleaning & Sanitizing regimen

    I've read previous posts on this issue but I need some help with details for a meeting with the ministry of environment here. Does anybody have a cleaning & sanitizing plan that they used for local authorities to convince them that they will not be trashing the local sewage plant? We're talking about a 10 bbl micro with 3 10 bbl fermenters and a bunch of grundies (6) for conditioning tanks. All tanks are CIP. I've managed to convince them that spent grains/trub/yeast are going to the cows so it's really just the cleaning side they're concerned with.

    Some of the details they've been asking about:
    1. How often are tanks cleaned
    2. How often are the tanks sanitized
    3. How much water is used in cleaning/sanitizing process
    4. What chemicals are used in cleaning/sanitizing and in what dilutions
    5. What will be the PH of the caustic & acid solutions when sewered. I've told them I'll be reservoiring & recycling the solutions so the real question is until what PH is the caustic and the acid effective?
    6. What special equipment do I need to recycle caustic & acid solutions & is it worth it?

    Anything else you can think of that would be of interest to a sewage plant would be extremely helpful.

    Thanks.

    David

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    Dave,

    Please see my additions below...........


    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing Camel
    ".............I've managed to convince them that spent grains/trub/yeast are going to the cows so it's really just the cleaning side they're concerned with.
    Be careful with the grains and yeast with regards to cattle. The farmers need to use the byproducts as suppliments to a grass/hay diet or the cattle will bloat and die a somewhat horrible passing due to a ruptured stomach (from gases produced). You can do a search on Probrewer for prior discussions.


    Some of the details they've been asking about:
    1. How often are tanks cleaned
    After every use. On the day of transfer of the product from them. This is scrubbing out or caustic washing any yeast deposits that are on the surfaces.


    2. How often are the tanks sanitized
    Prior to every use. The tanks MUST be clean prior to sanitation. We use Iodifor, but Per-Acetic acid or similar is fine.

    3. How much water is used in cleaning/sanitizing process
    Cleaning: Around 20 gallons if using caustic and recirculating.
    Sanitizing: Around 8 - 10 gallons.


    4. What chemicals are used in cleaning/sanitizing and in what dilutions
    Cleaning: Caustic soda heated to around 130 - 140F. The mix will be very basic (hi pH)
    Sanitizing: Iodifor, Per-Acetic acid. Use cold. Both break down into some pretty tame solutions.
    Follow the package instructions.


    5. What will be the PH of the caustic & acid solutions when sewered. I've told them I'll be reservoiring & recycling the solutions so the real question is until what PH is the caustic and the acid effective?
    I don't have a ready answer for the pH, but you can't re-use your sanitizers. They'll go to drain. You can use your caustic as long as the pH is high enough, but you'll eventually need to change it out. You can cut it with yeast or beer to neutralize its pH (both are acidic), but your sewer district might not like you dumping yeast down the drain a whole lot.


    6. What special equipment do I need to recycle caustic & acid solutions & is it worth it?
    Basically, to re-use the caustic you need a small stainless tank somewhere in your Brewery. I don't know if you made it down to our place when you were in Everett, but we have an old yogurt flavor mix tank that looks like a mini conical fermenter without a lid. We store caustic in there. You can use all your existing process equipment (pumps, hoses). Rinse them with hot water.
    Don't forget to backfush your heat exchanger with hot caustic regularly. That system you have has the heat exchanger below the decking and it's a real pain to tear it down and clean the leaves.



    Anything else you can think of that would be of interest to a sewage plant would be extremely helpful.

    Thanks.

    David

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    I find the less you tell them the better.
    Tell them you mainly use alkaine cleaner, get all msds and data sheets available. Use it with your new RO water at a .5% solution and have a buffer saftey tank which doubles as your CIP tank... After use you will Dilute it 10 times so that the PH is neutralized (Overkill it)....

    For sanitizing use 80C water to pasurize the tanks, Occasionally use Acid to get rid of stubborn chalk build up , again saftey buffer tank and Dilution.

    invite them to come after 1 month and do a test on you brewery drain for levels. You wont have a problem.

    As for the PH of caustic its not important its the conductivity.... you need a special Ph meter to give you that answer.

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