Type of ABS for trunk line

[Whitewall]

Greetings all.
Ive seen a lot of reference to using ABS for trunk lines. My question is what type? Black DMV is not rated for pressure but since we are only running 15 psi is this not a issue? Or are you using solid core ABS?
Also. If you are using the black ABS are you using PVC couplers to create your tank runs since there is very limited fittings available for ABS?
And yes I know COOLfit is the best. Blah blah blah. Not going that route. Family owns a plumbing company
Thanks in advance for the feedback

[DowneastCider]

Have you looked into Niron or Aquatherm? I just did my glycol lines for a new facility in Niron. Much cheaper than Cool Fit. I don't know about just plain ABS.

[Starcat]

Pressure rated ABS

I have done some web searches dealing with pressure rated ABS and its out there but not easy to find as there are industrial applications for it. If I find the links I will post them.

[Whitewall]

Have you looked into Niron or Aquatherm? I just did my glycol lines for a new facility in Niron. Much cheaper than Cool Fit. I don't know about just plain ABS.

Thanks. I'll look into those.

[Whitewall]

I have done some web searches dealing with pressure rated ABS and its out there but not easy to find as there are industrial applications for it. If I find the links I will post them.

I would love those links. Thank you

[rdcpro]

I would love those links. Thank you

What about Duraplus industrial ABS? There are lots of links for it, but here's one that specifically mentions glycol:

http://www.ipexna.com/usa/products/industrial/process-piping-systems/duraplus-industrial-abs/

It's commonly used for air line distribution systems, even really large ones. You can get valves made from it as well.

Regards,
Mike Sharp

[dast]

Greetings all.
Ive seen a lot of reference to using ABS for trunk lines. My question is what type? Black DMV is not rated for pressure but since we are only running 15 psi is this not a issue? Or are you using solid core ABS?
Also. If you are using the black ABS are you using PVC couplers to create your tank runs since there is very limited fittings available for ABS?
And yes I know COOLfit is the best. Blah blah blah. Not going that route. Family owns a plumbing company
Thanks in advance for the feedback

Hi,
You cannot use Black drainage ABS.
If you want to use an un-insulated piping you need to use ABS designed for pressure like the COOL-FIT ABS.

So just to clarify there is three different COOL-FIT lines
COOL-FIT ABS = un-insulated
COOL-FIT ABS Lite = Pre-insulated with Armaflex
COOL-FIT ABS Plus = Pre insulated with High Density Closed Cell Polyurethane foam and with a PE100 Jacket.

All three systems rated 150 psi (174 psi for fluid with a temperature below 50F)
Temperature range -58F to 104F
Size range 3/8" to 12"
All of them use COOL-FIT ABS cement and cleaner
Full line of fittings, transition fittings, manual valves, check valves, air release valves, strainers and actuated valves.
Training is included
Link to web page http://www.gfps.com/country_US/en_US...g/foodbev.html Here you can download a lot of information.

There are over 500 breweries in America that uses COOL-FIT. We have supplied COOL-FIT to the US Brewery market since 2005

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me


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[Tubbybrew]

Have you looked into Niron or Aquatherm? I just did my glycol lines for a new facility in Niron. Much cheaper than Cool Fit. I don't know about just plain ABS.

I so wanted to run Niron but got spooked with the installation method and ended up running CoolFit instead. Did you install it yourself? Was FWWebb any help?

[Ted Briggs]

Greetings all.
And yes I know COOLfit is the best. Blah blah blah. Not going that route. Family owns a plumbing company
Thanks in advance for the feedback

So why do you have to ask for advise here ??

[nickfl]

Have you looked into Niron or Aquatherm? I just did my glycol lines for a new facility in Niron. Much cheaper than Cool Fit. I don't know about just plain ABS.

Our trunk lines are Aquatherm. Really good stuff and cheaper than any of the other legit options (Cool fit, copper) that I am familiar with. It is more difficult to install than Cool fit (our installer had to go to a short class to get certified by Aquatherm) but it is very strong and can be installed very quickly by someone who knows how to do it, they even offer a warranty on both the material and installation as long as it is installed and pressure tested by a certified installer. I like it and will continue to use it.

Just use braided, high pressure EVA tubing for your runs from the header to the jackets. This stuff: http://www.mcmaster.com/#high-pressu...ubing/=12s75d9 It is cheap and rated for both the pressure and temperature you need. It is also very quick and easy to install and fits nicely inside the right insulation. Which is another thing you need the right product for. Do not use the closed cell styrofoam-like crap they sell at most plumbing supply houses. You want armaflex AP microban or something similar. Find a specialty insulation supplier near you and they will have it, it is reasonably priced and really easy to work with and does not need cladding.

[DowneastCider]

I so wanted to run Niron but got spooked with the installation method and ended up running CoolFit instead. Did you install it yourself? Was FWWebb any help?

Yes and yes. Stop by if you want to check it out. We are going to be installing more for the next week or so, starting tomorrow (in new location in East Boston).

[Whitewall]

So why do you have to ask for advise here ??

Because residential plumbers don't deal with glycol.

[gcbeer]

Pex

Greetings all.
Ive seen a lot of reference to using ABS for trunk lines. My question is what type? Black DMV is not rated for pressure but since we are only running 15 psi is this not a issue? Or are you using solid core ABS?
Also. If you are using the black ABS are you using PVC couplers to create your tank runs since there is very limited fittings available for ABS?
And yes I know COOLfit is the best. Blah blah blah. Not going that route. Family owns a plumbing company
Thanks in advance for the feedback

We ran PEX for the entire system - no leaks and no issues in 6 years.