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    Waste Water Solution for Non-Municipal Water Systemts

    In planning for a 30BBL brewery whioch has no way to tie in to city sewage for waste water. Looking for advice on most effective and cost-efficient septic/ holding tank options from breweries in similar situations. Well and septic only! There is absolutely no option for city-water hookups at the location. Trying not to have to have a service suck our waste water every 2 weeks. That will get expensive. Looking for construction options, septic-safe treatments to accelerate decomposition of organic matter, etc.

    All advice is appreciated. Thanks.

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    We're a 5BBL brewery in an environmentally sensitive area and we've installed our own water treatment plant for the brewery effluent (no sewage) and plan to use our recycled water for irrigation. It's all in place and I've been working with the State Water Quality Resources Board but we're still constructing the irrigation system so I haven't been able to use it yet. It can handle 2400 gallons in a 48-hour period via aerobic digestion, filtration, and sterilization. It's a big investment but it will be worth it once we dial it in. I plan to post about it once we get it on line.

    BTW, I do know there are breweries that use septic systems for dispersal. You'll just need to size it accordingly and have enough percolation area to handle the flow.

    Cheers,
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    Don

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    I'd suggest you try to get in touch with someone at Anderson Valley Brewing. I know they do all their own wastewater treatment on site, offhand they're the only larger craft brewery I can think of that has had to deal with issues like that.

    Cheers and good luck.
    Manuel

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    Long Trail in Vermont also has their own wastewater treatment facility (no sewer out there, well water from aquifer the brewery is on.) I too looked into a 30 bll last year, Virginia. There is a guy on here from time to time who lives in Colorado. Specializes in wastewater. Here's essentially what youre up against;
    You really need a treatment facility. $200k and a full time guy to run it. In Victor, NY there is a company that has this machine that helps treat the water before it goes down the drain or distribution septic. You sidestream the brewing process, all the solids.

    I left Virginia. I didn't want to get into the wastewater treatment business. A brewery is hard enough, especially starting as a 30 because now you need to package and distribute. And if you have no experience in the industry...

    Oh... Lickinghole Creek near Richmond... They sidestream and have septic wastewater distribution... They also have 300 acres of land atop a hill. You might call them.

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    Indian Wells Brewng

    I would Contact Indian Wells Brewing in Inyokern, CA.
    Their Spring/Water supply is up hill about a 1/4 mile from the brewery and they are on septic/ They make a solid, clean beer in the middle of the desert.
    Give them a call

    Lance
    Rebel Malting Co.
    Reno, Nevada USA

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    Thank you, everyone. This is a massive help. I appreciate it.

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    Hi StaEva,

    I'm curious what you were able to find out on this topic. We're facing similar issues here in northwest Washington, though the property we're looking at now is at least on municipal water supply.

    Cheers,
    Ron Extract
    Garden Path Fermentation
    Skagit Valley, WA

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    I'd also be curious where you guys ended up if you ever check this thread again. We are currently on a 7 BBL system doing about 1200 BBLs per year and handling our own wastewater. To say that it's a huge PITA even at our size is an understatement.

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    Help with non municipal wastewater treatment systems

    Hi StaEva and others,
    I work for the company in Victor, NY mentioned by BeerBred. The company is ClearCove and we specialize in removing organics from brewery wastewater. So far everyone has had great comments. Brewery wastewater is expensive and difficult to treat and is best left to municipalities. That being said, we can help small breweries as well as large breweries if they have to treat their own wastewater. We have a small system that can take solids out and adjust pH ahead of a leach field (not ideal, but permitted in several states) and we have much larger systems that can treat brewery wastewater all the way to reuse quality. I ran a brewery for years that had an on site aerobic wastewater treatment system, so I know how difficult it can be. If anyone needs advice or help with their brewery wastewater, please give me a shout. If I can't help you, at least I can try to point you in the right direction.

    Cheers,

    Jason Fox
    ClearCove
    Victor, NY
    jfox@clearcovesystems.com

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    Revitallizing this thread

    We are moving to a new resort area. The landlord has been excellent working with us in planning our move. We have negotiated a large addition to an existing building with 6 apartments on a second floor to house a 3.5 bbl stout system with a few 7bbl tanks for a fair amount of brewing capacity and a new building in 1 year to house a 10bbl system with 6 Ferms and 2 brites.


    This will produce a large amount of wastewater and sewage effluent. The resort is under construction so digging is no problem as permits are already aquired.Landlord is installing a new waste wate treatment plant and is concernned about the effluent but is working hand in hand with our brewer to be sure the system will handle it.

    The existing building was a laundromat and has 2 septic tanks where the laundry and apartment effluent went to settle before going further to an old sewage plant that is being replaced.

    There are 2 options so far on the table. One includes an aerobic system to be installed at our location and then the resulting flow from it will be run into his sewage system.The other would be 2 setting tanks under the building.One tank would be for brewing byproduct that could be pumped clean every 2 weeks by a farmer with a septic tank truck to be sprayed on his farm and he would also take away any side streamed grain waste on a flatbed to feed his pigs(we will do this regardless). The other tank would be for wash down and CIP water and solids for settling before going downstream to where our sewage effluent and effluent from our existing building would tie in.

    We both want the best yet most ecconomical solution to this issue. And we only want to do it once.

    The brewer has no desire to become a wastewater engineer (he works hard enough as is) and would like to keep the aeration system on the landlords location at the sewage plant.

    Can you help us with some insite as to what you fine people have encountered and what you have done.

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