Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: How important is first in last out?

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Location
    bryan, ohio
    Posts
    8

    How important is first in last out?

    1.5 hp chiller and four 7 bbl tanks. The furthest tanks is about 45' from the chiller. How critical is the FILO?

    Also, how big a y strainer do I need. Where would I source that? McMaster?
    Last edited by fjbrewer; 12-22-2016 at 08:59 AM.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Florence, Alabama
    Posts
    528
    If you don't have first in, last out, when you have more than one tank calling for glycol at a time you will end up with one not getting cooled properly. I wouldn't set up a system any other way, and there is not reason not to do it that way when it's installed. The flow really needs to be balanced. For a Y strainer, typically I have seen them on the trunk line at the point the line returns to the chiller, so whatever size the trunk line is.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Location
    bryan, ohio
    Posts
    8
    Check. The only reason not to do it is 'cause it means more pipe. It's a pretty small cost in the grand sceme, but I know the owner is going to ask why, so I'm asking now just to stay ahead of it.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Nevada City, CA
    Posts
    213
    I have 1.5HP Chillstar servicing 4-7bbls and 2-15 bbl FVs. I did not know enough when having the supply/return headers plumbed to have it done FILO. That said though, I have noticed no problems chilling, though it is rare to be crashing more than 2 at a time. Crashing a tank to 34 from say, 65 takes probably 10 hours or so if solo. Soft crashes (68 to 58) are within an hour or so.
    Dave Cowie
    Three Forks Bakery & Brewing Company
    Nevada City, CA

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Jacksonville FL
    Posts
    73
    Its not important at all at that scale. We have 5 x 15s 4 x 30s, 2 x 15 brites, 1 x 30 brite, and a 35hl foudre with a chill plate, plus a 25BBL CLT... all are plumbed in with the shortest run to the header and it is absolutely not a problem, even with multiple tanks chilling. FILO plumbing is one of those engineering ideals that is theoretically better but doesn't have any practical effect until you reach a much larger scale, I'm not sure where it begins to kick in, but it isn't anywhere near the size you are talking about.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    Bulverde, TX, USA
    Posts
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by nickfl View Post
    Its not important at all at that scale. We have 5 x 15s 4 x 30s, 2 x 15 brites, 1 x 30 brite, and a 35hl foudre with a chill plate, plus a 25BBL CLT... all are plumbed in with the shortest run to the header and it is absolutely not a problem, even with multiple tanks chilling. FILO plumbing is one of those engineering ideals that is theoretically better but doesn't have any practical effect until you reach a much larger scale, I'm not sure where it begins to kick in, but it isn't anywhere near the size you are talking about.
    Hey there nickfl- if you don't mind sharing... What size of chiller do you have? Also, is your cellar environmentally controlled.

    The reason I ask is I'm currently planning my brewery and want to build-out it out with plenty of growth factored in. I'm in southern Texas where temps can get 100+, I don't plan on having the brewery environmentally controlled and wanted to account for ambient temperatures in the brewery as well.

    Thanks in advance!

    Steve

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Duluth, MN
    Posts
    709
    Its part of the right and best way of doing a glycol system, anything else is a compromise. What else are you compromising on? Old hops, slack malt.... The right tool for the job, do it right the first time ect.
    Brewmaster, Figer's Brewhouse
    tbriggs@justtakeaction.com
    "Your results may vary"

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2016
    Location
    bryan, ohio
    Posts
    8
    Kinda like how you compromised with "ect."?
    Sorry, I couldn't help poking at a little typo.

    But honestly, I see your point. But of course, you realize we HAVE to make compromises every day. I really want X hop, but I can't afford it at the market price, or perhaps it's completely sold out... what do I do? Find a hop that's similar? stop making that beer? See my point.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •