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  1. #1
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    7 bbl brewpub start up help

    We are planning on a 7 bbl brewpub, with seating for around 125, and hoping for about 10-12 taps, some being for guests. We have approx 775 sq. ft for the brew house ceiling heights are 15' or more. Our original idea is for a 2 vessel steam system with one 14 bbl, one 7 bbl uni tank fermenters and a conditioning tank in 775 sq ft space. In the basement below, 6-7 8 bbl glycol cooled serving tanks and walk in for kegs directly below the bar. On demand hot water with filtration systems. Not really planning on any distribution in the first few years. With that being said, we've got some general questions. Is the space big enough for the brew house, with grain storage? Do the sizes, amounts seem about right? Are we missing anything major? Can we gravity feed the serving tanks? What if anything would you change? And lastly (for now) recomendations on brands?


    Thanks for any and all advice!

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    Talk to equipment manufacturers in order to get an idea if the space you have is large enough. Premier Stainless, Specific Mechanical and American Beer Equipment to name a few.

    Have you written an extensive business & marketing plan yet, in order to get your ideas on paper, run 5 year financials, figure out everything about everything? Only then will you be able to know if the numbers/size of your setup will be adequate to make a profit. Furthermore, the place you are planning on putting the brewery better have the market for supporting the numbers that you predict will make you profitable.

    What do you mean by gravity feed serving tanks? Serving tanks (whether jacketed or non-jacketed brite tanks) are generally drawn from by means of C02/C02&Nitrogen gas mixture to get the beer to the pint glass.
    Ryan
    Viridian Brewing Company
    [Brewery-In-Planning]

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    Hire a Brewer or Consultant that knows what they are doing.
    Brewmaster, Fitger's Brewhouse
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    At first blush 3 FVs seems like too few. Does the 775sf include the space below with the serving tanks?

    I have a 2 vessel 7bbl system from Premier, two 14bbl and four 7bbl FVs in a little over 400sq. On demand water, filter, grain storage and mill in an adjacent upstairs room takes up another 50sf or so (I can only store enough grain for ~4 batches). Walkin cooler next to brewery is another 176sf with 6 servings tanks and kegs feeding 8 taps. Not a lot of wiggle room, but doable for us to produce maybe up to 1200 bbls at max.

    Ditto on the business plan, obviously. We put together a pretty detailed 5 year forecast with very conservative revenue projections and got super anal on the cost side. It included expanding from our original 4 FV 4 BT count to our current (and maxed out) configuration in year 3 -- which we did. Do you have a good spot outside for your glycol unit? If it is going to be used for all your FVs and BTs it will have to be decently sized and will cost$$.
    Dave Cowie
    Three Forks Bakery & Brewing Company
    Nevada City, CA

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    750 sq/ft No Problem.

    We built a brewery/Pub along time ago With Specific Mechanical 7 Bbl system 3 7Bbl FV's, and a 14. 8 stacked 7Bbl Serving Tanks Plus mill and Glycol Reservoir and pumps in a 625 sq/ft space with specialty grains stacked along the wall and a 8000# bulk silo out side. Produced 1200 bbls year one and two.
    Just moved filter and buckets and stuff out side during work hours.
    Take advantage of your ceiling height. Go vertical.
    Contact Specific Mechanical, Reference "Oggi,s Pizza and Brewing, Vista California. 2002. Maybe they have the plans in their system that you can look at. I put alot of beer out in that small space. You can to.
    Good luck. Call if you have any questions.

    Lance
    Rebel Malting Co.
    Reno, Nevada USA
    lancegergensen@gmail.com
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    Gravity feeding tanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Talk to equipment manufacturers in order to get an idea if the space you have is large enough. Premier Stainless, Specific Mechanical and American Beer Equipment to name a few.

    Have you written an extensive business & marketing plan yet, in order to get your ideas on paper, run 5 year financials, figure out everything about everything? Only then will you be able to know if the numbers/size of your setup will be adequate to make a profit. Furthermore, the place you are planning on putting the brewery better have the market for supporting the numbers that you predict will make you profitable.

    What do you mean by gravity feed serving tanks? Serving tanks (whether jacketed or non-jacketed brite tanks) are generally drawn from by means of C02/C02&Nitrogen gas mixture to get the beer to the pint glass.
    By gravity feeding, I'm asking if the brewhouse is up stairs, can I run the beer to the serving tanks in our cold room in the basement. Then from there it'll be pressure fed back to the tap house

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    Make sure you have 2 pipes going to the basement so you can do CIP loops upstairs/downstairs as needed. We gravity feed our beer to brite tanks in the basement below our fermenters, keg off them, and then serve the kegs from our downstairs cold room which is directly beneath our tap tower. Sounds like you'll be skipping a step by going straight from serving tanks mostly, good on ya. Our set up works well, but I run up and down the stairs a lot when I'm running CIP loops.

    Good luck.

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