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  • jemthebrewer
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    Our SOP

    We clean and sanitize a tank pretty much always right after it is used...if the tank sits overnight and is not brewed into right away, it is resanitized the day we brew into it.

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  • Carrfred
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    Gaskets for plastic fermenters

    Originally posted by nvr2low View Post
    I sanitize my plastic fermenters while I am doing the boil. I hook up a pump and run through the chiller at the same time. usually there is no more than about 15 minutes between dumping the sanitizer and filling with beer.

    what gasket did you use for your conical? I would like to put something on my lids to help seal them a little better.
    Hi there,
    I am pretty sure we use a 12" round manway gasket, here's a photo, sorry the fermenter is dirty just transferred to the brite. it can be hard to get on, but we slip it over the screw on lid on the top of the fermenter, and attach a blowoff tube to the centerClick image for larger version

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  • nvr2low
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    I sanitize my plastic fermenters while I am doing the boil. I hook up a pump and run through the chiller at the same time. usually there is no more than about 15 minutes between dumping the sanitizer and filling with beer.

    what gasket did you use for your conical? I would like to put something on my lids to help seal them a little better.

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  • d_striker
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    Originally posted by gitchegumee View Post
    If the vessel is kept cold, you reduce your possible contamination a bit. If you resanitize, you reduce your possible contamination a lot. And why would you try to sanitize ahead of the time that you need it sanitary? Cleaning kegs more than a few hours before they are filled is not acceptable in my book. Those valves will get gunk in them before you put beer through them. There is a better way to do it--immediately before filling. That's my take, anyway.
    I typically clean/sanitize kegs and then put them in the cooler. Then I keg from the brites the next morning.

    Clean kegs get a few sprays of saniclean on the coupler head and then covered with a keg cap. We don't have any issues with them getting dirty overnight.

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  • Thirsty_Monk
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    These are all good points. I sanitize my HX and fermenter about 12-18 hours before brew (day before) and never had a problem.

    Once you clean and sanitize there is not any food source for the bugs. As long as you do not have new bugs coming in, it should be OK.

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  • beerguy1
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    Thats nice to clean kegs just hours before you fill them but at least for myself. I cant clean kegs quick enough to keep up with filling so I have no choice. I cant say I have never had a problem but in the 13 + years of doing this it comes down to less than 5 per year. And I cant attribute a bad keg to the length of time from filling. I flip the kegs upside down after cleaning. It seems to keep the gunk out of the fill port.

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  • gitchegumee
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    Same difference...

    If the vessel is kept cold, you reduce your possible contamination a bit. If you resanitize, you reduce your possible contamination a lot. And why would you try to sanitize ahead of the time that you need it sanitary? Cleaning kegs more than a few hours before they are filled is not acceptable in my book. Those valves will get gunk in them before you put beer through them. There is a better way to do it--immediately before filling. That's my take, anyway.

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  • d_striker
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    What are the opinions if the vessel is kept in a cold room less than 40F after sanitizing? Things like a bbt or kegs?

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  • UrbanPoison
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    We will leave a sealed, sterilised, stainless steel fermenter for a maximum of 12 hours before re-sanitising. With plastic, I would personally sanitise immediately before use. I only really feel comfortable when I sanitise within a few hours of using a vessel. The cost of sanitising is miniscule compared to the cost of sending out a bad batch of beer.

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  • liammckenna
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    Originally posted by Carrfred View Post
    I appreciate all the replies-
    I always sanitize a vessel/lines/HX immediately before going into it/through them.


    Pax.


    Liam

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  • CharlosCarlies
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    Glad someone else asked this as I was curious as well. I've always just assumed sooner = better, so we leave our CIP loop setup from the night before and run sanitizer after mashing in.

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  • Carrfred
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    Thanks for the info!

    Originally posted by gbrower View Post
    We use a 3 hour window. You wouldn't believe all the microbes that are just floating in the air. Plus think about the sides of the butterfly valves and sample ports that will be touching beer once you fill.
    I appreciate all the replies-

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  • indyGold
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    In addition to brewing, I'm a process engineer for a large pharmaceutical company. At the pharma plant there's a "perfect" scenario of great stainless, CIP skids and in-line monitoring of discharge liquids for conductivity and pH. On top of that they swab sample final discharge liquid and surfaces to verify "clean". Under those extreme standards 48 hours is the maximum between a CIP/Sani cycle.

    There's a lot of variables in how long a tank can be held after a CIP/Sani cycle. Without a lab to validate a specific cleaning protocol, I think most people will say "before use" is the best option. The max I'd go after that is the chemical suppliers instructions. In the case of Star San, that's 12 hrs.
    Last edited by indyGold; 08-26-2014, 11:16 AM.

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  • gbrower
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    We use a 3 hour window. You wouldn't believe all the microbes that are just floating in the air. Plus think about the sides of the butterfly valves and sample ports that will be touching beer once you fill.

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  • Carrfred
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    Thank you!

    I will sanitize, sanitize sanitize and keep saving pennies for stainless! Thanks for the input

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