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    For those that have installed trench drains, do you generally place them in level, or do you try to create some sort of "fall" along the length of it?

    I know some companies offer stock drains built like this that you can drop right in, but I'm hoping that a flat installation will be fine with daily use keeping them flushed out. Thoughts?

    Mostly though, I just excited at the notion of a brewery FLOOR with some slope to it - and TOWARD THE ACTUAL DRAIN!

    Cheers,
    Scott

  • #2
    The stock drains are pretty easy to install and not too expensive. The nice thing is you just install them with the top edge level and then the slope is built in. I think they have about a 1/2" per foot drop.
    Linus Hall
    Yazoo Brewing
    Nashville, TN
    www.yazoobrew.com

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    • #3
      That's exactly what I was looking at. But we're doing a pretty long run - 24 feet, so if it's 1/2" per foot, that's 12" of fall along the entire run, if we drain from one end, as I think we need to. I'm guessing you can't string multiple troughs together like that without something that's constructed to be VERY deep at one end.

      S
      Last edited by Sir Brewsalot; 11-16-2011, 11:12 AM.

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      • #4
        Split the difference?

        Not knowing anything about your drainage 'sitch, could you split the difference? (i.e. put the drain the middle of the trough, sloping on each side) This would get you a 6" drop...

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        • #5
          It's a 1/4 inch per foot on my engineered floor drains and they work well. We've got a sump pit in the middle with one leg running 40 feet and the other running about 30.

          Very nice having drains handy in the brewery. Next one we'll slope the floors since this one had to be quick due to concerns with our previous landlord (where we only had 6 feet of drain).

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          • #6
            Bear in mind this is my first trench drain install, but I have been researching options for weeks. If you are referring to pre-cast pre-sloped trench drain systems, most I have looked at are .6%-.7% slope. For long runs they have unsloped sections. The idea is that every 3rd or 4th section is a "neutral section" with no slope. Overall slope is maintained, but the total depth is not as deep.

            Of course if you are looking at non-pre-sloped or cast in place trench drains, then you can make the slope whatever you want....

            I would avoid a full no slope trench. Even if you spray it out often, water will still sit and stagnate.
            Scott LaFollette
            Fifty West Brewing Company
            Cincinnati, Ohio

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            • #7
              Thanks for the help everyone!

              Rudge: splitting the difference is an option, but it would mean more saw cutting/excavating. We're pouring a floor onto an existing concrete floor, so every bit further down or across we go costs a little more the bust into it. Probably the way to go though.

              Originally posted by rudge75
              It's a 1/4 inch per foot on my engineered floor drains and they work well. We've got a sump pit in the middle with one leg running 40 feet and the other running about 30.
              Sounds like a similar scenario to what I'm looking to do here. What brand/model of trench did you use for this, if I may ask? I've been looking at Infinity Trench, but I don't see anything from them that's got any fall to it.

              Originally posted by yap
              Bear in mind this is my first trench drain install, but I have been researching options for weeks. If you are referring to pre-cast pre-sloped trench drain systems, most I have looked at are .6%-.7% slope. For long runs they have unsloped sections. The idea is that every 3rd or 4th section is a "neutral section" with no slope. Overall slope is maintained, but the total depth is not as deep.

              I would avoid a full no slope trench. Even if you spray it out often, water will still sit and stagnate.
              Looking for weeks here too! I've seen .7%, but not in the Polypropylene material I'm thinking I should use. I'm definitely after a drop-in trench, not a cast one. Interesting use of "neutral" sections in conjunctions with sloped... never considered that. Nice idea.
              Last edited by Sir Brewsalot; 11-16-2011, 01:12 PM.

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              • #8
                Look for Watts trench drains. They are two piece and will have the proper slope. You should have a 1/4" per foot for 3" DWV and smaller and 1/8 to 1/4 for 4" and larger.
                I will see if I have some photo's of my last install. They have different grates and some that will allow you to drive over. Plus you can put a tee in and such.
                Todd

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                • #9
                  Thanks Todd! Checking them out now - looks like they have a nearby rep too.
                  Scott

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                  • #10
                    A bit off-topic but however you build them Some Quat on the floor and in the drains can help keep them from being funky, especially during downtime like over the weekend.
                    Brewmaster, Minocqua Brewing Company
                    tbriggs@minocquabrewingcompany.com
                    "Your results may vary"

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                    • #11
                      Not sure of the manufacturer, but I know they're poly drains that can withstand a forklift driving over them. They're manufactured in Saskatoon.

                      They sound strikingly similar to what one of the other fellows here said - 3-4 sections with drop, then a couple of straight sections, then more drop over long runs.

                      Consider that you want to build in all the drainage you can now before you start plopping tanks on the floor. You can cut in more later and attach them into the current drain, but it's a hell of a mess after the fact.

                      Make sure you follow the install instructions and bolt the drains in place before forming the cement around them. If you miss a bolt, the drain starts to float (can you tell I speak from experience on this one?).

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                      • #12
                        Thanks everyone. I just got done redesigning the whole room, thanks to the info that this thread has unearthed for me. We now have a much functional work area, a less costly pour, and now all I need to do is pick a brand of trench and buy them.

                        But material choices are puzzling me now... HDPE, Polypropylene, lowly PVC, and probably a couple others. Are there any materials that I should absolutely avoid, given the thermal, chemical, and in this case mild mechanical stress (not driving over them) we put them through?

                        Thanks again,
                        Scott

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                        • #13
                          Scott! How are things, brother? I'd like to suggest DuraSlope from a company called NDS. Here's the link: http://www.ndspro.com/trench-drains-...-drain-system/

                          I installed their sloped drain system in our place and it's been terrific. At first I was a little concerned about the plastic melting because of the chems and hot water, but that's never happened. It's fine. Don't let anybody scare you about that.

                          The slope is 1/4" per foot (which works fine and dandy). It comes in 4-foot, interlocking sections and you have an option between a plastic or galvanized steel grate - I went with plastic. You just cant drive your forklift over it.

                          Overall, I'm very happy with the drain system. Nasty shit doesn't cling to it and it hoses out very easily. The plastic grate comes in two-foot sections and is removable so you can hose them off or soak in caustic for a serious cleaning - which I don't really do very often. I pretty much hose the drains out once a week and we're fine.

                          And we only paid just over $1,000 for a 40-foot run.

                          Hope this helps and best wishes on the new place!

                          -Mike
                          Mike Hiller, Head Brewer
                          Strangeways Brewing
                          2277-A Dabney Road
                          Richmond, VA 23230
                          804-303-4336
                          www.strangewaysbrewing.com

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                          • #14
                            Hey Mike!
                            Thanks for chiming in. I'm probably spending way too many brain-hours on this, but I'm hoping to do it only once. So it's GREAT to know that HDPE will be fine for this... this is a HUGE help.

                            Hope to cross paths with you some time soon!
                            S

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                            • #15
                              Hey Mike,

                              How are these DuraSlope trench drains holding up for you? I like the product, but am worried about long term durability. Any reservations?
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                              Community Beer Co.
                              Dallas, Texas

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