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  • BrewinLou
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    I always thought a wort receiver would speed up our operations more than the addition of a WP. Running off into one while finishing up the boil/WP would be huge. Currently running a MT/LT and KT/WP.

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  • Yolong Randy
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    yolong 3-vessel brewhouse for reference

    Hi sam,

    Yolong have build several 3 vessel brewhouse for usa clients.
    You may send email to me randy&yolongbrewtech.com for make quotation.

    YOLONG INDUSTRIAL CO., LTD.

    link www.yolongbrewtech.com for more information

    randy
    project manager

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  • Wayne_Ripley
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    3 vessel set up

    Hi Sam

    please email me as we have set up a 3 vessel system both ways and they are both in BC and I can get you in touch with them

    wayne@ripleystainless.com

    www.ripleystainless.com

    1-250-494-9310 ext 103

    thanks Wayne Ripley

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  • CommercialBrew
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    M/k + l + k/w

    Originally posted by SamWBrewmaster View Post
    Hey everyone.

    We are planning our brewery out and our next step is to commission our brewhouse. We are going to go with a 3 vessel system for flexibility but I am wondering what, in your opinion, is a better 3 vessel set-up. M,L,K/W or M/L, K, W?

    I have seen Mash (steam jacketed), Lauter, Kettle/Whirlpool so the mash tun doubles as a boil kettle for the back to back brewing, BUT has the rakes in it, which can hinder whirlpooling on the second batch. Also, with this first set-up, it seems that once the mash is transferred, the lauter tun does not contain rakes, so spent grain removal must be done by hand.

    The other set-up I've seen is Mash/Lauter, Kettle, Whirlpool. So I assume, once the mashtun is cleaned out (via using the rakes) during boiling of the wort, we can be grinding our grist and begin another mash. Once the first batch is whirlpooling, we can lauter into our kettle and begin boiling again.

    Correct me if any of this is wrong. BUT I am leaning towards the latter set-up as it seems more suited to efficiently brewing batches back to back with little issue. What's your thoughts?
    Hey,
    BrewFab is currently building a Mash Kettle + Lauter + Kettle/Whirlpool for a MBAA brewer who is excited about the beer spectrum possibilities of this set up. The 3vsl setup allows production efficiency with option to decoct in the mash or use a kettle for souring. There are rakes in the Lauder tun for grain removal . NO rakes in the the K/WP so no obstruction. Even if you did a two vessel with M/K/WP +L you would ramp the VFD down on the mixing blades for an efficient WP.

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  • SamWBrewmaster
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    Originally posted by will2mey View Post
    Mash Mixer, Lauter Tun, Copper/Whirlpool will likely be the most flexible. Mash/Kettle, Lauter Tun, Whirlpool will be harder to re-configure should you need to expand in the future. I have seen combined pre-run/whirlpool vessels that take up less floor space than two separate vessels which is handy and might save a few quid..
    No, we were thinking we'd set-up as combi. (1)Mash/Lauter, (2)Kettle, (3)Whirlpool. Different than what you have stated. My other question is, what about two mash/lauter tuns alongside the kettle and whirlpool that are dual purpose and could also be used as a pre-run tank. Basically to start a mash before the other is cleaned out, while the kettle is beginning to boil batch 1. We dont like the idea of having to transfer the entire mash into a vessel without clean out rakes...
    Last edited by SamWBrewmaster; 01-29-2016, 04:43 PM.

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  • will2mey
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    Mash Mixer, Lauter Tun, Copper/Whirlpool will likely be the most flexible. Mash/Kettle, Lauter Tun, Whirlpool will be harder to re-configure should you need to expand in the future. I have seen combined pre-run/whirlpool vessels that take up less floor space than two separate vessels which is handy and might save a few quid..

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  • ghobbs
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    Originally posted by ziggy13 View Post
    What's a pre-run tank?
    A buffer tank or wort collection tank to run off into from the lauter tun while the wort kettle is occupied. I'm fairly sure I've seen set ups where the lautered wort is pre-heated by a heat ex with recovered heat from the kettle or other energy storage system on the way to the pre run tank as well.

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  • ziggy13
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    Originally posted by ghobbs View Post
    A pretty standard set up for > 8 turns per 24 hours is: mash kettle, lauter tun, pre-run tank, wort kettle, whirlpool. Some suppliers of this configuration quote that it is possible to achieve 12 turns per 24 hours. It does depend on the type of beer and the plato etc of the product though.
    What's a pre-run tank?

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  • ghobbs
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    A pretty standard set up for > 8 turns per 24 hours is: mash kettle, lauter tun, pre-run tank, wort kettle, whirlpool. Some suppliers of this configuration quote that it is possible to achieve 12 turns per 24 hours. It does depend on the type of beer and the plato etc of the product though.

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  • SamWBrewmaster
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    Originally posted by mmussen View Post
    I've seen a similar sort of set up touring some of the big boys (Bud, Coors) The plant I visited had several heated mash tuns, 1 large lauter tun that could fit more than one mash at a time, 2 kettles, and a whirlpool. They claimed to be able to knock out a fresh batch every 2 hours.
    Without having somewhere to collect wort from the second mash before the kettle is empty I don't think it would be a very useful setup, the lauter is whats going to take the longest and that wort needs to go somewhere.
    Ok so that brings me to ask another question, if it would be beneficial to brewday efficiency, could you then use the freshly cleaned out mash tun #1 to hold the lautered wort from mash tun #2 until the kettle is available if needed. I dont see why this would have much negative effect..

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  • wailingguitar
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    Originally posted by beermkr View Post
    I run the pump for 15 minutes to get everything spinning fully and then have a ramp programmed into my VFD that slows the pump over a 999 second period. I let it settle for 45 minutes including this ramp time. Honestly I could probably shorten the tim but it allows a few other things to get done during that period like finishing cleaning the transfer equipment.

    I may try a different timing today and see what happens. Shorter days are always better. We have not stepped up to our double batches yet as we are waiting on our HLT upgrade (HLT fed by an on demand with a recirc loop).
    Even that time seems long to me. In a 10bbl Premier, I am whirl pooling for 5 minutes and a 10 minute rest is sufficient. I started out with double that time, but experimentation showed no difference in hop cone, etc. between the two times.

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  • mmussen
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    Originally posted by SamWBrewmaster View Post
    Ok, maybe this is a stupid question, but has anyone thought of or seen anyone with two jacketed mash/lauter tuns so you could be that much more efficient with your time and could start another mash right away before the other tun is cleaned out? so instead of say 3 vessels in a "M/L,K,W" it would be "M1,M2,K,W"? We are going to be brewing both ales and lagers from about 12P-16P, we do not need to decoction mash but we do need to step, I'd like to be able to use the rakes to aid in grain removal and don't like the idea of having to transfer the mash into another vessel.
    I've seen a similar sort of set up touring some of the big boys (Bud, Coors) The plant I visited had several heated mash tuns, 1 large lauter tun that could fit more than one mash at a time, 2 kettles, and a whirlpool. They claimed to be able to knock out a fresh batch every 2 hours.
    Without having somewhere to collect wort from the second mash before the kettle is empty I don't think it would be a very useful setup, the lauter is whats going to take the longest and that wort needs to go somewhere.

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  • SamWBrewmaster
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    Ok, maybe this is a stupid question, but has anyone thought of or seen anyone with two jacketed mash/lauter tuns so you could be that much more efficient with your time and could start another mash right away before the other tun is cleaned out? so instead of say 3 vessels in a "M/L,K,W" it would be "M1,M2,K,W"? We are going to be brewing both ales and lagers from about 12P-16P, we do not need to decoction mash but we do need to step, I'd like to be able to use the rakes to aid in grain removal and don't like the idea of having to transfer the mash into another vessel.

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  • beermkr
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    Originally posted by JLL View Post
    Do you mean between recirculating and rest your whirlpool lasts an entire hour? Out of curiosity why so long? I usually spin in my 20 BBL K/WP for 5 minutes and settle for 20-25 minutes leaving a nice tight pile at the bottom even over 1-1.5#/BBL hopping.
    I run the pump for 15 minutes to get everything spinning fully and then have a ramp programmed into my VFD that slows the pump over a 999 second period. I let it settle for 45 minutes including this ramp time. Honestly I could probably shorten the tim but it allows a few other things to get done during that period like finishing cleaning the transfer equipment.

    I may try a different timing today and see what happens. Shorter days are always better. We have not stepped up to our double batches yet as we are waiting on our HLT upgrade (HLT fed by an on demand with a recirc loop).

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  • JLL
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    The whirlpool is much easier to add down the line vs. a separate jacketed MT in the future. I have a M, L, K/W and despite having a little longer brewday than the guy with a separate WP, it's nice to have a separate MT now for more control during the mash (temperature, ease of dough-in with a large impeller). We also have a spot next to the kettle that will hold our WP in the future. It really does depend on what styles you are brewing, how many batches per day, labor, etc.

    Originally posted by beermkr View Post
    Personally I would kill to have M/L, K, W. The fact of my world is that my kettle is tied up during boil, whirlpool and transfer to fermenter. To open that kettle up right after the boil would make a huge difference in our throughput. While the first batch is coming to a boil you can clean out the mash/lauter easily. I clean mine buy hand in under 10 minutes (10bbl DME).

    1 hour whirlpool and 30 minute transfer ties me up before I can even start to clean out the kettle for another batch.
    Do you mean between recirculating and rest your whirlpool lasts an entire hour? Out of curiosity why so long? I usually spin in my 20 BBL K/WP for 5 minutes and settle for 20-25 minutes leaving a nice tight pile at the bottom even over 1-1.5#/BBL hopping.

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