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  • augiedoggy
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    Originally posted by Rosie View Post
    I own a lot of tools...none of them in fractions of inches, thank f*ck...except for the socket drives, I guess
    I own very old cars (the the kind that were american made with american parts) The toolbag in my trunk for work is mostly metric though since there isnt a lick of large printing equipment made in the states anymore and hasnt been since xerox more or less shut down but even they had gone metric prior... I do have to deal with both metric and standard measurements every day though since the equipment (and the customers) can be set on either here as in this business.

    As far as the topic at hand, we have our tanks marked in 5 gallon increments (since we are taxed in gallon increments as well as bbls which convert to gallons easily). but at such a tiny 3bbl size it only makes sense. if the government starts taxing us in liters, We will change over. for now, with 16oz cans, pours and 64oz growlers it just doesnt make since to introduce conversions for us.
    Last edited by augiedoggy; 02-27-2020, 06:08 AM.

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  • AGB
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    Well since I started this thread Iíll give everybody an update: I marked all the sight glasses in 5 gallon increments . I also marked the barrel locations as well. I did this using a flow meter

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  • Rosie
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    Originally posted by augiedoggy View Post
    Next up, The arguement between SAE and metric tools!
    I own a lot of tools...none of them in fractions of inches, thank f*ck...except for the socket drives, I guess

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  • Rosie
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    Originally posted by UnFermentable View Post
    This exactly.

    I did not mean to start the next revolution (pun intended), however this is why I ultimately left with the point that you should use whatever is the easiest form for you to speak in fluently. Conversion is not impossible in any case.
    Shame we can't all speak the same language though...I bought a US brewhouse and they made NASA like fails in conversions and the install guy (though he was a complete legend) couldn't speak a lick of metric

    Originally posted by UnFermentable View Post
    Now to change the subject of sorts - I don't care between Plato and SG either, lol. Brix takes a quick reference, but not a big deal.
    Round two - Fight!
    I tried to go Plato when moving to new facility, but our main hydrometer supplier in the UK only does SG, so we stick with it.

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  • augiedoggy
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    Next up, The arguement between SAE and metric tools!

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  • UnFermentable
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    Originally posted by Rosie View Post
    In the brewhouse or even in the kitchen (I can't believe people still use cups and tablespoons either) at home, metric just makes total sense. Chemical ratios, liquor to grist ratios, being able to weigh water and/or beer and convert to volume, easy working with ppm, etc, etc.
    This exactly.

    I did not mean to start the next revolution (pun intended), however this is why I ultimately left with the point that you should use whatever is the easiest form for you to speak in fluently. Conversion is not impossible in any case.

    Now to change the subject of sorts - I don't care between Plato and SG either, lol. Brix takes a quick reference, but not a big deal.

    Round two - Fight!

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  • Optimist Brewer
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    Marking every gallon is excessive once you reach over a barrel or so. Your choice of measurement unit is totally up to you and, for me, it was a matter of convenience. I used US units as a Canadian homebrewer simply because that's how suppliers sold ingredients. When I went pro the government wanted everything metric so I switched and I happen to prefer it. I marked my BBTs in hl and later marked every ten liters within the first and last hl of the tank. For me that was between 0-1hl and 9-10hl. Measurement unit aside, subdividing the two extremes of the tank makes it easy to dose and avoid partial kegs etc.

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  • Rosie
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    Originally posted by spetrovits View Post
    I could make a snarky comment about certain other countries making backwards decisions because of a bunch of misguided old people, but...
    Yeah, the people that still prefer pounds and shillings...

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  • soia1138
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    People need to friggen relax. Mark your sight glass however the hell you want. It's your sight glass, it's your brewery. Do what works best for you. The markings are mostly useless anyway. If its for tax determination then that can simply be your walk in or finished goods storage area. I'm going to create my own measurement system, then we'll see some bitterness to the likes of a late 90's west coast ipa.

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  • spetrovits
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    I could make a snarky comment about certain other countries making backwards decisions because of a bunch of misguided old people, but...

    I always marked my sightglasses with barrels, since all my kegs were an even fraction of a barrel. I was going to mark it in sixths of a barrel, but I don't need that level of precision on a 10 bbl tank. The only exception was the first barrel in the tank, which I marked more precisely with a flow meter to avoid partial kegs.

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  • Rosie
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    Originally posted by TGTimm View Post
    That makes no sense. OP is in Georgia, USA. All taxes and sales are figured in gallons or brewer's barrels. Most of our containers are in fluid ounces. Why add confusion?
    I think the sooner you guys give up on these archaic measurements, the better. I moved over from the US 24 years ago and about lost my mind when I found out the pint was different here...and hence so was the gallon and brewers barrel.

    We too sell over the bar in divisions of the Imperial pint, but are taxed in hl%, a very simple conversion at the end of the month.

    In the brewhouse or even in the kitchen (I can't believe people still use cups and tablespoons either) at home, metric just makes total sense. Chemical ratios, liquor to grist ratios, being able to weigh water and/or beer and convert to volume, easy working with ppm, etc, etc.

    IMHO, it's time you guys gave up the equivalent of pounds and shillings.
    Last edited by Rosie; 02-18-2020, 03:36 AM.

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  • gitchegumee
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    I'm with Rosie...

    Everything I do is in liters. So simple to do any math regarding dosing or ratios or recipe formulation or anything volumetric. Or heat additions, refrigeration, packaging, or almost any brewery/winery operation. Yes, I must eventually revert to the neanderthal measurement system of gallons when I report to the Feds. But that is far easier than using some archaic gallon measurement all the way from the beginning.

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  • TGTimm
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    Originally posted by Rosie View Post
    For the love of God, go with litres...
    That makes no sense. OP is in Georgia, USA. All taxes and sales are figured in gallons or brewer's barrels. Most of our containers are in fluid ounces. Why add confusion?

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  • Rosie
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    For the love of God, go with litres...

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  • HogMountain
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    Originally posted by UnFermentable View Post
    I think many might argue for hL (hectoliters), and the metric system in general for ease of measurements.

    For me, at a certain point it stopped making much difference. I think of gallons in terms of growlers/kegs most of the time, so it is easy enough for me to quantify gallons into barrels and vice versa. Same with the metric system. 2 liter growlers are just a hair over a half gallon growler at the conversion rate of 3.785 liters per gallon, or 1.17 hL per bbl. 30 & 50 liter kegs for foreign operations.

    It is really about using the unit of measure that is most convenient for your purposes, and that you can translate most fluently.
    It makes sense to me to mark them in gallons or liters. I forgot to mention that we are a 5bbl brewery located at a winery. We keg everything and have no tap room. So I think I'll go back and mark everything in gallons. I have a flow meter, so it is pretty easy.

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