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  • wakeele
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    Originally posted by Mad Scientist View Post
    Curious to hear your results....
    Well, I think I've only used it on one batch because I've forgotten to add it on two beers lately I wanted to try it on--new brewery and no surprise, I'm under staffed. I haven't done any clarity trials and would like to for each beer I use it on, but like I said, no time to right now (that's where I was hoping to get more feedback from others I used 30 mL/bbl on our Pilsner, and it's slightly more brilliantly brite than our golden ale (but the golden has a slight chill haze and is brilliantly brite after a few minutes in the glass). I use 6g/hL of Kick G too.

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  • Mad Scientist
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    Originally posted by wakeele View Post
    I'm using Biofine Clear for the first time in my career and thought this would be a good discussion to resurrect to see what others are experiencing, whether results favorable or not, and recommend.
    Curious to hear your results....

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  • wakeele
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    I'm using Biofine Clear for the first time in my career and thought this would be a good discussion to resurrect to see what others are experiencing, whether results favorable or not, and recommend.

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  • TheArgus
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    We added 2L BioFine Clear to a 60BBL batch of stout this morning that appeared to be on the cloudy side at start of transfer, even post-fuge, just to be safe. Shortly thereafter, the beer cleared up pretty nicely with the help from the fuge.

    My question is: can we package the beer later today even though the BioFine hasn't had a full 24-48 hours to react? Is there any flavor/stability concerns? Kind of a unique issue but figured I'd throw it out there-

    Cheers,
    Matt

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  • Brian@Loeffler
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    Originally posted by brundage View Post
    We tried it with WYeast 1214 (Belgian Abbey) with no success. It's a low flocculator with tiny cells. Ramped doses up form minimum to maximum with plenty of mixing and time to settle but never got it to clear up. However, the beer drops pretty clear after a week in the bottle. YMMV
    Loeffler offers a 40% stabilized silica gel called BrauSol Special. Typical usage rates are 20-40ml per HL / 23-47ml per BBL. This is available in 25 kg pails (approximately 5 gallons).

    BrauSol Special_The chance to change - Copy.pdf

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  • brundage
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    Originally posted by ibrewforyou View Post
    what are people's results with less flocculating yeast strains?
    we used 500mL for a 12 bbl batch of blonde ale with WL001 and had great results but i'm hesitant to try on our WL800 or Belgian strains.

    Input?
    We tried it with WYeast 1214 (Belgian Abbey) with no success. It's a low flocculator with tiny cells. Ramped doses up form minimum to maximum with plenty of mixing and time to settle but never got it to clear up. However, the beer drops pretty clear after a week in the bottle. YMMV

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  • ibrewforyou
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    what are people's results with less flocculating yeast strains?
    we used 500mL for a 12 bbl batch of blonde ale with WL001 and had great results but i'm hesitant to try on our WL800 or Belgian strains.

    Input?

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  • bford
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    We use the Biofine in the same transfer to brite tank manner as described above, however, our beer sits at 34 degrees for 4 days before dosing. Usually crystal clear beer in 24-48hrs.

    Also, I built 3" standpipes for the tanks we fine. This keeps the sludge from getting pulled off of the tank and dish sides. We are a brewpub, so the tank is fed directly to the tap!

    A great product, but I liked Caskklear better! Bring it back!

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  • dick murton
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    As with all finings products, I would expect to have to optimise the dose rate for different beers , and re-optimise with any deterioration in performance due to say new seasons malt, or another cahnge in your process.

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  • Phil Shaw
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    I was wondering if the amount of Bio Fine Clear varies with higher gravity beers, and or dry hopped beers?

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  • Valleybrew
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    Biofine Clear is veggie/vegan friendly, purified colloidal solution of silicic acid (SiO2) in water. We use 4L for a 30 BBL batch at the top end of dose rate on one beer and on other beers 2 L for 30 BBL. Depends on how naturally flocculant the yeast strain is. We dose liquid Biofine in during transfer from Fermenter to Brite on beer which has already been crashed to 36F for a few days. It works great in 24-48 Hrs. Our source is Brewers Supply Group.

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  • Jeff Lockhart
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    Fred, I do not filter or fine in my FV's. Inline is best to the Server.

    The only other vegetarian product I know of is Alginex. By it's self it works ok if you give it time. It is intended to be used with Isinglas. Maybe PVPP of some type?

    Jeff

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  • Swordboarder
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    We've been using it in the fermenter at a dosing rate of 20-40 mL/BBL. We're still working on getting the dosing rates right for each individual beer. The other piece of advice is to make sure to get it well mixed, we hook up to the bottom and recirculate through the racking arm. If you use too much or don't mix it enough you'll end up with too many ions interacting with each other and not enough with the proteins and polyphenols and you'll end up with a milky slurry at the bottom and significant loss.

    -Dave
    Hale's Ales

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  • boussh
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    pretty good luck in the fermenter

    Fred,
    We've been using the bioFine Clear for about a year now. We add it (300 ml to 10 bbls) to the fermernter at 24 hrs after the final cold crash to 32 and bubble CO2 through the tank for 15-20 mintues. Of course we've knocked out as much of the yeast/ hop sludge as we can. ususallly i wait 48-72 hrs before filtering and it works pretty well. have had some issue getting my red ale to drop brite, but i think that is another issue all together.
    hope this helps....

    nick

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  • redlodgesam
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    age longer

    Hi Fred,

    I agree with previous posters. Bio fine is for secondary or brite tank. We let the beer set for 72 hours after dosing the biofine in-line to the secondary tank, but then we have a non-floccing yeast.

    3-4 days sounds like a pretty short lagering time. Anything we filter ages for at least 2 weeks. We rack yeast two to three times in that period and then filter out of a racking arm, if we are filtering out of a unitank. When we filter out of a secondary, we have a stand pipe in place.

    Again, we have a non-flocccing yeast, but 3-4 days of lagering sounds short for a filter, especially a plate and frame filter.

    cheers,

    sam

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