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  • #61
    Just to throw my two cents in....we are in the final stages (waiting on gas permits to plumb in gas) of setting up our 3 bbl system sourced and manufactured in China. We heard all the horror stories and actually budgeted money in to allow for changes post delivery. So far....<knocking on wood>....we've been surprised every step of the way with how well everything has turned out.

    From the start, the manufacturer produced professional engineering/autocad drawings of our tanks not only to spec but to our exact space/location (we supplied the floorplan). They also produced mill certificates to ensure we got the stainless we paid for....the welding has passed the inspection on my master welder business partner...and all of our electronic/components/pumps are UL listed. There even have been some pleasant surprises along the way....like them including 60ft of brewery hose, german-made spunding valves and all pp-r (aka aquatherm) pipe for the glycol system.

    My biggest complaint (so far) was the complete and utterly lack of documentation. The system showed up in a shipping container with 7...yes seven.... black and white photos on how to put the system together. The manufacturer did get us a wiring diagram for the PLC/control panel but it was a couple of long...patient....beer filled days sorting through parts on a banquet table to try and figure out how all the hard piping goes together to get all the tanks plumbed correctly.

    Like I said...my two cents on my/our experience

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    • #62
      Chinese equipment

      If you would like more info regarding complete systems and/or fermenters, I rep for http://www.TDTanks.com

      They have been very easy to work with and have a very quick turn around time.

      I have been in the beer business for thirty years and have seen many terrible systems from China, so it took a great amount of
      convincing to get me to represent them.

      In addition, we just started producing stills for distilling from our own designs.
      I have a new project with a million dollar plus budget for equipment and I will be purchasing much of the equipment from them, so
      I definitely believe in the quality.
      Bill Coffey
      billcoffey13@yahoo.com
      (209)743 6123
      Bill Coffey

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      • #63
        Please email me with any questions.

        Originally posted by Bjp9130 View Post
        We are novices at this whole thing. We are in the process of buying a building right now and are looking at starting a brewery in it by next spring if we can get permits that quickly. (Good lawyer will help I hope). We need to have equipment from what I understand to even apply for it in our state. So I have a master welder, with years of stainless experience, an excellent electrician already on staff at my real job and have logic controller experience with process equipment. I want to buy American but see the Chinese stuff so reasonably priced that even if we spent a bunch of time reworking flaws I still would be tens of thousands ahead. The plan would be to buy a bare bones rig and customize it ourselves. Tell me where I am crazy and shoot my plan full of holes.
        Thanks
        Bill Coffey
        Do Good Distillery
        Stanislaus Brewing
        billcoffey13@yahoo.com

        I also rep for these guys and believe in their quality.

        TD Tanks, LLC is a full service equipment provider dedicated for the craft brewing and distilling industries. Here at TD Tanks, we pride ourselves on unsurpassed quality of craftsmanship and attention to detail. Our goal is to be your go-to source for all of your brewing and distilling equipment needs, providing you with an exceptional and personalized customer experience from start to finish, and beyond.
        Bill Coffey

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        • #64
          Originally posted by brain medicine View Post
          was this seller the one down in paso robles/ santa barbara area ? they seem to be taking the role of distributor in US.
          Yes the ones I bought in the US, have a listed Address in Paso Robles. Our latest order was bough directly from Sungood in China. They are supposed to ship in about a week or two.
          Last edited by gbough; 10-07-2017, 03:59 PM.

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          • #65
            Recently bought from China- please email me at emailtrevor@gmail.com if you still have questions. I visited the factory of Zhongde but didn't buy from them...


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            • #66
              Link to TD Tanks

              TD Tanks, LLC is a full service equipment provider dedicated for the craft brewing and distilling industries. Here at TD Tanks, we pride ourselves on unsurpassed quality of craftsmanship and attention to detail. Our goal is to be your go-to source for all of your brewing and distilling equipment needs, providing you with an exceptional and personalized customer experience from start to finish, and beyond.


              Any questions, please feel free to contact me. And, check out our prototype still as well.

              Bill Coffey
              Stanislaus Brewing
              Do Good Distilling
              (209) 743 6123
              billcoffey13@yahoo.com
              Bill Coffey

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Ray Lee
                Hi,
                It is a risky idea. I have some experience for you reference. Most of the beer tanks on USA market are from China. The USA distributors will have a factory in China for their tanks and also have very good quality control.
                Of course there are some margin when bring them back to USA and combine everything together. There are also some other manufactures of beer tanks who don't have distributor. Price may level from 20 to 50 if the price in USA is 100.
                However, the most important is the design. Some design is impossible to reprocess even your welder very skilled.

                My suggestion is to do some survey by yourself and learn the difference. It is not hard to find ten or twenty manufacturers in China in one city.
                Find someone who looks expert after your inspection. Some money like tickets, hotel may be spent. I still think it is much worthy than leaving the possible problems to your master welder or electrician.

                Ray
                I agree here, We recently bought my 3 bbl kettles from a sponsor here who I believe makes the equipment for a couple other very large us vendors. Even with dealing with customs fees and such we saved thousands vs buying the exact same thing through a US middleman. we are still waiting for it to be ready and shipped but so far the process has gone very well and the communication has been very good. However while some things advertised on alibaba look the same you have to do some research, especially if your looking for something specific that may be complex.
                Last edited by augiedoggy; 10-16-2017, 06:15 AM.

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                • #68
                  Why do you state it that way?

                  How about calling it " Truth Mail " instead.
                  What you have to look for are situations that are more uncommon and are liasoned by persons in the USA or persons that know exactly who and what they are dealing with, and then know EXACTLY what you are getting into with the " Tek " as there are very certain pitfalls with certain types of systems.
                  I'll give Still Dragon as an example of a Liason that is running a quality oriented operation Between the USA and China.
                  Its more about knowing what types of things not to buy from that locality.
                  I have located a line of Solenoid Valves from China that are actually decent, but this is the exception not the rule.
                  Chinese bearings are noted for being the worst and shortest lasting on the planet with zero exceptions.


                  One thing that people do not get about the Chinese is they produce things that can become worthless in a matter of weeks, and the quality and engineering integrity of those things is often not that good. They have a very unique and unusual style of lying and a very unsavory type of materialism they go in for.
                  Just the facts on the darker side of how they roll.

                  People need to think seriously about the Banksters who moved all of the production out of the USA, and undermined this country by their unbridled greed....destroying the GDP.
                  All the lying politicians, and the fact that we are not supposed to be in a " debt based " monetary system in the first place.
                  Kennedy would have taken us out of that, but the dark side won out and poisoned everyones' way of seeing the truth in the process.
                  The fact that everything has been monetized is exactly what has taken all the quality out of " EVERYTHING "
                  People need to think seriously about this one simple fact.
                  Production needs to be moved back to the USA, and fast.
                  We then need to start expecting and paying for quality as is possible.

                  Star
                  Warren Turner
                  Industrial Engineering Technician
                  HVACR-Electrical Systems Specialist
                  Moab Brewery
                  The Thought Police are Attempting to Suppress Free Speech and Sugar coat everything. This is both Cowardice and Treason given to their own kind.

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                  • #69
                    Chinese

                    I know of several brewers who are satisfied with the Chinese made tanks and, to a lesser degree, brewhouses.

                    As far as fillers, crowners, seamers...run as fast as you can. There are a few US companies using the Chinese made machines and hanging their brand on it.

                    The bearings, bushings, welds, and everything else will fail within a few months to some degree and the SS will rust. These machines are woefully pathetic.

                    Remember, you can't sell leakers.

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                    • #70
                      I just received my fermenters that I purchased from Sungood Machinery and they look geat.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by baer19d View Post
                        I just received my fermenters that I purchased from Sungood Machinery and they look geat.
                        same with our kettles... They should, Sungood makes at least some of them for the biggest nano brand name in the states..

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Lidman View Post
                          I know of several brewers who are satisfied with the Chinese made tanks and, to a lesser degree, brewhouses.

                          As far as fillers, crowners, seamers...run as fast as you can. There are a few US companies using the Chinese made machines and hanging their brand on it.

                          The bearings, bushings, welds, and everything else will fail within a few months to some degree and the SS will rust. These machines are woefully pathetic.

                          Remember, you can't sell leakers.
                          I beg to disagree. We have owned a Chinese made 5200 bph 24 head rotary tri-block along with a single label cold glue labeler and we continue to be very happy with it. We did have to change most of its seals early on as the Chinese seals aren't great and we made a few tweaks here and there but overal we saved a ton of money (1/3 the price of comparable Western fillers) and it continues to do its job very well. We regularly measure dissolved oxygen in the bottle and we have never had a problem with high oxygen levels. There are bad Chinese machines but there are also good Chinese machines, you just have to do your homework when it comes to China. I purchase bottles, crown caps, kegs, brew equipment, SS growlers, promotional items, etc from China and I couldn't be happier. I find their customer service to be excellent and so far I haven't had a bad experience with any of my purchases.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by dfalken View Post
                            I beg to disagree. We have owned a Chinese made 5200 bph 24 head rotary tri-block along with a single label cold glue labeler and we continue to be very happy with it. We did have to change most of its seals early on as the Chinese seals aren't great and we made a few tweaks here and there but overal we saved a ton of money (1/3 the price of comparable Western fillers) and it continues to do its job very well. We regularly measure dissolved oxygen in the bottle and we have never had a problem with high oxygen levels. There are bad Chinese machines but there are also good Chinese machines, you just have to do your homework when it comes to China. I purchase bottles, crown caps, kegs, brew equipment, SS growlers, promotional items, etc from China and I couldn't be happier. I find their customer service to be excellent and so far I haven't had a bad experience with any of my purchases.
                            Do you mind sharing which Chinese manufacturers you have had good experiences with?

                            Thanks

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                            • #74
                              I was very close to ordering a turnkey brewery BH, FV, BBT, Hex. Nothing electronic and no pumps. However, I am fearful that the upcoming tariffs will completely destroy any savings margin I would have had. What is the current tariff status?

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                              • #75
                                Anyone have any experience with Cassman or XG? Just received a quote that made me blink...

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