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  1. #16
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    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by TGTimm View Post
    We're on our first day canning with the ABE Lincan 35 line.

    The tech/field engineer--Justin Nieman--that ABE sent out has been great. He knows his stuff in depth, and is an excellent and patient teacher. Not only did he go over all the numerous adjustments needed, but he fiddled with them and made each operator re-set all of them. Much better than I'm used to in a field tech! The manual provided by ABE is also excellent, and much better than I've come to expect with new equipment. Some of the charts and tables are printed too small, but other than that, I'm very impressed.

    ABE set the machine up with the wrong dies on the seamer. On being notified of this, they overnighted the right set out at no cost to us, with no argument whatsoever.

    I'll update this as we get more experience using the line. We'll be running it for the rest of the week, so we'll have some experience soon.

    So far, the biggest mistake we've made was not buying a depal for the cans. ABE provided a half-twist manual-load rinser, and keeping up with a 35 cpm machine by picking up cans, inverting them, and loading into the chute is impossible.

    Be aware that this machine requires a large, higher pressure compressor and air dryer. The minimum input air pressure is 110 psi, which is higher than most compressors like to run for a start pressure. It also uses up to 25 cfm of air, which is more than a 5hp compressor can keep up with at this pressure. The biggest draw on the air is the can dryer, so if you can tolerate a little water on the cans, you can save some air here.
    Thanks Timm for your feedback. Let us know how things go.
    Will you have a TPO analysis done on your cans this week?
    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starcat View Post
    While I would agree the Seamer is the most critical, the Filler is on even keel with it.
    These are the 2 weakest points on the ACS5 model that we have. The New Generation Seamers are reported to be better.
    I am not informed about any changes to the filler.
    The problems with this type of filler are as follows:
    Highly Unstable with respect to the Bright Beer infeed pressure and temp. Wastes a lot of product that I am guessing rotary types do not.
    The fill level sensor technology is problematic and requires too much attention and fiddling.
    Solenoid actuated shuttle system in the filler head cannot tolerate the slightest speck of foreign material getting in or it will stick open on that line. Foreign material " will " happen.
    Screening CIP side has been one route to moderating this problem, but it can happen through the beer hose as well.
    Solenoid coils are weak and intolerant of moisture or being overheated. The panel relays that operate this subsystem are under rated and fail more often than expected. The coils can develop partial short and ground faults that will affect adjacent coils, so troubleshooting is not linear or logical until you have mastered the quirkiness of this setup.
    Problems with one line on the filler will stop the run and require its dealt with. This is generally a minimum of 30-45 min due to the difficulty of gaining access to the critical components.

    Even with an added lid masher, foam dynamics can cause can lids to rise back up before entering the seamer and cause crushes and instability. Again this is due to the nature of the fill and the time lag to getting into the seamer.

    The Electronics are pretty good.

    Final rinse is inadequate even with added rinse arms. Beer carryover from the conveyor down the line is " heavy."
    The dryer system is pneumatic and duty cycle on that coil is heavy.

    SC
    Warren I would be more than happy to put a new Angelus seamer on that CASK for ya. Have a great weekend!

  3. #18
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    Hey Tim @tgtimm -- Just wanted to follow up and see how things are going with the canning line.

    Looking at ABE for brewhouse and canning line.

    Thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by TGTimm View Post
    We're on our first day canning with the ABE Lincan 35 line.

    The tech/field engineer--Justin Nieman--that ABE sent out has been great. He knows his stuff in depth, and is an excellent and patient teacher. Not only did he go over all the numerous adjustments needed, but he fiddled with them and made each operator re-set all of them. Much better than I'm used to in a field tech! The manual provided by ABE is also excellent, and much better than I've come to expect with new equipment. Some of the charts and tables are printed too small, but other than that, I'm very impressed.

    ABE set the machine up with the wrong dies on the seamer. On being notified of this, they overnighted the right set out at no cost to us, with no argument whatsoever.

    I'll update this as we get more experience using the line. We'll be running it for the rest of the week, so we'll have some experience soon.

    So far, the biggest mistake we've made was not buying a depal for the cans. ABE provided a half-twist manual-load rinser, and keeping up with a 35 cpm machine by picking up cans, inverting them, and loading into the chute is impossible.

    Be aware that this machine requires a large, higher pressure compressor and air dryer. The minimum input air pressure is 110 psi, which is higher than most compressors like to run for a start pressure. It also uses up to 25 cfm of air, which is more than a 5hp compressor can keep up with at this pressure. The biggest draw on the air is the can dryer, so if you can tolerate a little water on the cans, you can save some air here.

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    bdz--We've been using the ABE Lincan 35 for nearly a year now, running two to three days/week on average.

    We've ironed out most of the problems we've run across, often with help from the ABE techs. Most have been minor, but the feed mechanism for the lids needed to have some parts completely replaced. Several pneumatic cylinders have developed leaks, but ABE has replaced them--at least sent me the cylinders so I can replace them.

    I fabricated an SS tray to go under the fillers when CIPing. We use caustic lye for a CIP chem, and using empty cans for this was a no-go as the caustic would loosen the can liner, which then clogged everything up.

    We added a simple venturi pump to dose ClO2 into the rinse water. We were getting some growth when plating out our canned beer. This now seems to be solved. We're dosing the ClO2 (activated Oxine) at around 1-2 ppm.

    I added a skirt made from slat-door strips to the front of the machine to prevent discarded cans--those without lids--from splashing beer all over the person attending to the machine.

    The main on-going problem is mashing cans in the seamer. It's almost impossible to get the push cylinder that sends the cans into the seamer adjusted to where it gets the cans right where they need to be on the puck, without them bouncing off the previous can and ending up mashed when they don't line up perfectly on the puck.

    We still need a depal option of some kind. Our problem here is lack of headspace. A full-twist rinser, which would be needed for a depal--is too tall to fit where we run the machine. We need a packaging hall!
    Timm Turrentine

    Brewerywright,
    Terminal Gravity Brewing,
    Enterprise. Oregon.

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    Small semiautomatic Canning Line from Switzerland

    Hi, I have a craft brewery near Zurich/Switzerland and I am using a semiautomatic micro canner called daniCanFiller.
    It gets up to around 12cpm. I paid only around 4'000 USD for the filling line which was quite a good bargain to start canning.
    www.danisbrewtower.com/danicanfiller

    John Hildebrand
    Owner of St. Laurentius Craft Beer/Switzerland
    https://stlaurentius.beer/

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    Who is kkelleher?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkelleher View Post
    Warren I would be more than happy to put a new Angelus seamer on that CASK for ya. Have a great weekend!

    I don't necessarily revisit threads unless there is time and a good reason to do so, so this was missed.
    Tell me more about this offer to install a new generation Seamer on the ACS 5.
    I'd like to hear about it.
    Cask has not put a lot into the retrofit qustion and likely not many people are interested excepting Moab Brewery.

    Star
    Warren Turner
    Industrial Engineering Technician
    HVACR-Electrical Systems Specialist
    Moab Brewery
    " No Cell Phone Zone."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDev View Post
    Hi, I have a craft brewery near Zurich/Switzerland and I am using a semiautomatic micro canner called daniCanFiller.
    It gets up to around 12cpm. I paid only around 4'000 USD for the filling line which was quite a good bargain to start canning.
    www.danisbrewtower.com/danicanfiller

    John Hildebrand
    Owner of St. Laurentius Craft Beer/Switzerland
    https://stlaurentius.beer/
    Hello John
    We are thinking of getting one of those, but are unsure of its reliability. Is it worth the money? Any running problems or technical fails?
    Thanks
    Jose Argudo
    Head Brewer
    3Monos Craft Beer
    Malaga, Spain
    www.3monoscaftbeer.com

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