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    2 Head Canner

    Hello all. Wanting advice when looking for a 2 head canner. We are exploring our options currently and wanting to branch out. We will be using an Oktober can seamer. Currently considering Xpressfill xf4500c or the xpressfill xf2200. Does anyone have any information on these two options. Or if anyone has any information on a similar product? Thank you in advance!

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    How many cases are you planning on doing an hour? We are a 10 BBL Brewery that has been looking into getting a canner for some time. The entry level ones around here are "Manual" or "Semi Automatic" Canners from Cask. MCS or SAMS. These units are selling for $30,000 $40,000 used (Canadian). They are prone to O2 pickup and very slow. The mACS was one we considered but with a labeler or a slever, date coder, twist rinse, $100,000 USD. This would at least give us more than a 60 day shelf life because of the low O2 pickup. The Co2 purge and little blast before the cap goes on are key to this. If you are trying to cap manually there is very little time to cap quick enough to prevent o2 pickup.

    Now we are looking seriously at something besides a CASK, it's called the MicroCanner MC-Flex (3 Head). $60,000 US. 24 CPM (355ml) 18 CPM (473ml). The in-feed table and flip rinse are great designs. Much better than the cask twist rinse or de-pal. It has a small foot print. This will do a skid of 24x54x473ml cans (1296 cans) in about 70 minutes. The labeler we are looking at is 3rd party and ads another $30,000 but you may not need one right away.

    I guess I am saying for $50,000 you will get something that will never be a) fast enough and b) low enough o2 pickup to be sustainable. It's seems like a lot of money to spend close to $70,000 for the MC-Flex but it can be ran with 2 people, give a good quality fill, and is fast enough to last your brewery for years to come. It's also built with non proprietary, readily available parts. Hope this is helpful.
    Leigh Davison
    Head Brewer, Partner & Beer Alchemist @ Schoolhouse Brewery
    Windsor, Nova Scotia
    "The Beer with Class"

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    How many cases are you planning on doing an hour? We are a 10 BBL Brewery that has been looking into getting a canner for some time. The entry level ones around here are "Manual" or "Semi Automatic" Canners from Cask. MCS or SAMS. These units are selling for $30,000 $40,000 used (Canadian). They are prone to O2 pickup and very slow. The mACS was one we considered but with a labeler or a slever, date coder, twist rinse, $100,000 USD. This would at least give us more than a 60 day shelf life because of the low O2 pickup. The Co2 purge and little blast before the cap goes on are key to this. If you are trying to cap manually there is very little time to cap quick enough to prevent o2 pickup.

    Now we are looking seriously at something besides a CASK, it's called the MicroCanner MC-Flex. $60,000 US. 24 CPM (355ml) 18 CPM (473ml). The in-feed table and twist rinse are great designs. Much better than the cask twist rinse or de-pal. It has a small foot print. This will do a skid of 24x54x473ml cans (1296 cans) in about 70 minutes. The labeler we are looking at is 3rd party and ads another $30,000 but you may not need one right away.

    I guess I am saying for $50,000 you will get something that will never be a) fast enough and b) low enough o2 pickup to be sustainable. It's seems like a lot of money to spend close to $70,000 for the MC-Flex but it can be ran with 2 people, give a good quality fill, and is fast enough to last your brewery for years to come. It's also built with non proprietary, readily available parts. Hope this is helpful.
    Leigh Davison
    Head Brewer, Partner & Beer Alchemist @ Schoolhouse Brewery
    Windsor, Nova Scotia
    "The Beer with Class"

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    Quote Originally Posted by firstmile View Post
    Hello all. Wanting advice when looking for a 2 head canner. We are exploring our options currently and wanting to branch out. We will be using an Oktober can seamer. Currently considering Xpressfill xf4500c or the xpressfill xf2200. Does anyone have any information on these two options. Or if anyone has any information on a similar product? Thank you in advance!

    We did a collaboration with a few other Nano Breweries and will be using the xf2200 paired with the Oktober seamer on Monday. The biggest difference I see is open top seal on foam versus counter-pressure. Either way you have to move the can to the seamer. I will follow up with my thoughts after we give it a go.
    Jason Blair
    MadCow Brewing Company

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