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jmcq2xl
03-08-2017, 09:53 AM
I am currently looking into starting a 1 BBL Nano. Can anyone give a recommendation on how many fermenters I should start with? I would like to be running 3 taps in a small tasting room. Also I would like to use an electric system for brewing. Do you think there would be a problem using this panel. http://www.ebrewsupply.com/50a-pid-control-panel-4-elements/


Thanks,

Jarrod

murmsk
03-13-2017, 06:47 AM
How often do you plan on brewing a week?

be sure to read the thread on opening a nano and that anything less than 3bbl struggles to be profitable. We have a 1.5bbl "hobby" brewery that works but has limitations. Id be happy to talk.

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jmcq2xl
03-17-2017, 08:03 AM
murmsk

After talking it over with everyone involved in the project we will now be going with a 3 or 5 BBL system. Thanks for offering to talk we me about it.

Jer
03-25-2017, 03:21 PM
murmsk

After talking it over with everyone involved in the project we will now be going with a 3 or 5 BBL system. Thanks for offering to talk we me about it.

Good move. I have a 1.5-ish BBL nano that is just for home use, and I'm pretty sure it's the most-expensive-per-beer possible in terms of equipment. I have all the fancy stainless of a 10BBL setup, and none of the profit...!!! Ah well, keeps me off the streets.

From what I've learned, go one step bigger than you think you'll need. You can always brew one less day per week, but the day will never be 26 hours long.....

-J.

Wildman
07-02-2017, 01:24 AM
I am currently looking into starting a 1 BBL Nano. Can anyone give a recommendation on how many fermenters I should start with? I would like to be running 3 taps in a small tasting room. Also I would like to use an electric system for brewing. Do you think there would be a problem using this panel. http://www.ebrewsupply.com/50a-pid-control-panel-4-elements/


Thanks,

Jarrod

We have a 1.5 bb nano - you can make a profit but it is hard work for limited output. Running 3 boils per day to fill 500L fermenters can work but you need a decent size HLT or a hot water system and a separate whirlpool to cut the overall brewing time. Go bigger if you have the space and cash.


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whunt91
07-02-2017, 05:54 PM
All my research indicates that you need to have a 10bbl system to give yourself some growing room. Otherwise you end up running out of capacity and incurring the capital costs of upgrading or replacing your brewery way too early.

Jer
07-02-2017, 10:57 PM
All my research indicates that you need to have a 10bbl system to give yourself some growing room. Otherwise you end up running out of capacity and incurring the capital costs of upgrading or replacing your brewery way too early.

That's what I've seen around here too. Anyone who's started with a system <10BBL has upgraded within 24 months. The one that's "started big" are still using their original gear.

FarGohn
01-10-2018, 03:35 PM
Im about to hit my 3rd anniversary. Still doing 5BBL with no plans to go past that. Ill top out at 3000sqft of tap rooms space in a smallish town.
5BBL is the right size for me, all over the bar at retail. I have 3 5BBL fermenters now, planning on going to five 5BBL ferms and one 10BBL.
If planning on distribution of any kind I would rec at least 10BBL system, prefer 15 or 20.

Jer
01-11-2018, 02:44 AM
Im about to hit my 3rd anniversary. Still doing 5BBL with no plans to go past that. Ill top out at 3000sqft of tap rooms space in a smallish town.
5BBL is the right size for me, all over the bar at retail. I have 3 5BBL fermenters now, planning on going to five 5BBL ferms and one 10BBL.
If planning on distribution of any kind I would rec at least 10BBL system, prefer 15 or 20.

ďAll over the barĒ is the key here.

Everyone around here distributes in some way, whether itís just a few kegs to a few taps, or 100,000 cans a month.

-J.

augiedoggy
02-01-2018, 07:52 AM
I am currently looking into starting a 1 BBL Nano. Can anyone give a recommendation on how many fermenters I should start with? I would like to be running 3 taps in a small tasting room. Also I would like to use an electric system for brewing. Do you think there would be a problem using this panel. http://www.ebrewsupply.com/50a-pid-control-panel-4-elements/


Thanks,

Jarrod
Still planning on going with ebrew supply for the control panel? I'm curious if anyone is using them for a nano being that they are not UL listed?

madcowbrewing
03-28-2018, 12:00 PM
Still planning on going with ebrew supply for the control panel? I'm curious if anyone is using them for a nano being that they are not UL listed?

We currently use the 50 amp system from ebrew supply. While we are not brewing multiple times a week, there are things to watch as a commercial brewery with this set up. And they can upgrade the panel.

augiedoggy
03-29-2018, 06:06 AM
We currently use the 50 amp system from ebrew supply. While we are not brewing multiple times a week, there are things to watch as a commercial brewery with this set up. And they can upgrade the panel.
Thanks for the info, as far as I understood If you not a homebrewer, Your operating a commercial brewery regardless of size? Is this not the case?. I understand many of the smaller nanos often fall under inspectors radar. I don't know if the rules are different for farm breweries operating nanos on thier home property but I've heard of people having to divide thier property so the nano is officially on a separate lot and I assumed it was operating as commercial.

Jer
03-29-2018, 12:12 PM
Thanks for the info, as far as I understood If you not a homebrewer, Your operating a commercial brewery regardless of size? Is this not the case?. I understand many of the smaller nanos often fall under inspectors radar. I don't know if the rules are different for farm breweries operating nanos on thier home property but I've heard of people having to divide thier property so the nano is officially on a separate lot and I assumed it was operating as commercial.

Iím not getting into the legalities of home vs commercial, but I think eBrew Ryan could make you a uL certified box if you need. If he canít, Ryan at Craft Automation certainly can.

JR

NS_Nano
03-29-2018, 07:24 PM
Don't have anything to add to this thread other than that I checked the ebrew site out of curiosity and he's got a UL listed option on there for only a bit more: https://ebrewsupply.com/products/electric-brewing-supply-pid-control-panel-4-elements-2-aux-ul-cul-listed

augiedoggy
03-30-2018, 05:32 AM
Thanks, my question was more or less if there were a lot of breweries out there already using non ul listed panels since I built my own (using UL listed components and built to code) but I don't really want to send it out for the union to bless it considering costs if I don't have to.

rdcpro
03-30-2018, 12:09 PM
Thanks, my question was more or less if there were a lot of breweries out there already using non ul listed panels since I built my own (using UL listed components and built to code) but I don't really want to send it out for the union to bless it considering costs if I don't have to.

If you end up being required by your local jurisdiction to get the panel labeled, you might check to see if they'll accept ETL labeling in lieu of UL. They may be much cheaper for this. As far as the actual code goes, it doesn't have to be UL, it just has to be a "recognized testing laboratory" and the NFPA has a list of what they consider to be recognized. Your jurisdiction should accept ETL, but I've found some inspectors can be jerks.

Regards,
Mike Sharp

Jer
03-31-2018, 05:42 AM
Thanks, my question was more or less if there were a lot of breweries out there already using non ul listed panels since I built my own (using UL listed components and built to code) but I don't really want to send it out for the union to bless it considering costs if I don't have to.

That depends on the knowledge and thoroughness of your local inspector, and your tolerance for risk.

JR

augiedoggy
04-01-2018, 08:32 AM
Nevermind.

Jer
04-02-2018, 12:52 AM
Nevermind.

My apologies. If the realities of your question upset you, try asking somewhere else.

I know that the electrical inspectors in Ontario have cracked down on non-uL panels. Other jurisdictions have seen people getting away with it.

Again, sorry that I/we canít predict the future and/or read the mind of your local inspector.

Good luck.

augiedoggy
09-26-2018, 02:43 PM
My apologies. If the realities of your question upset you, try asking somewhere else.

I know that the electrical inspectors in Ontario have cracked down on non-uL panels. Other jurisdictions have seen people getting away with it.

Again, sorry that I/we can’t predict the future and/or read the mind of your local inspector.

Good luck.

It wasnt the "Realities or my question you gave that upset me.. It was the assumption that since even though I stated my panel was built to NEC code using all ul recognized components, that it was unsafe. I do not see the difference from the other electrical panels and work done onsite that he is allowed to deem ok due to certified components and correct installation. Itsd frustrating when you know having the UL inspect it will cost multiple times what the panel cost to build