HI, I'm a noob who's working on a brewpub business plan. One thing I'm having a difficult time calculating is the *average/ballpark* cost per batch for a 7bbl and 10bbl set up. I know there are economies of scale and differing costs to ingredients, but I figure I can get a couple guesstimates to start with- like for an 'average' pale ale. I know that just multiplying my homebrew batch cost up would not be very accurate...Thanks for any help you vets can offer!
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Hey Farmviking, I see that you just joined the forum this month. Welcome! I don't know if this particular topic has been discussed, but doing a search of the forums will often answer your questions. The reason I'm bringing it up is because I've posted several entries that direct people here:
I'm in the same boat as you - trying to open a brewpub - but I've brewed professionally for a few years, so hopefully that gives my advice a little bit of credibility. If you follow the 'Business Planning' link, you can download my financial projections spreadsheet. By plugging data from the 'Ingredients' tab into the 'Brewery' tab, you can estimate the expenses of different types of beers. Pale ale is probably not the best example because hopping quantities vary so widely, but here goes. I'm planning for a 7-bbl batch of pale ale to cost about $577 in ingredients, which assumes organic malt prices and non-organic hop prices (good luck finding prices for organic hops). If I add in my estimates for chemicals, utilities, repairs/maintenance and taxes, the expense becomes about $720. Adding labor results in a batch price of $1140; I assumed $60/bbl, which isn't used in my actual projections because I'm going to pay myself a flat rate for both brewing the beer and having tons of non-brewing responsibilities. For a ten-barrel batch, the expenses become $826, $1031 and $1631 respectively. All I did to get those numbers was change the batch size in the spreadsheet. Reformulating the recipes would probably be more insightful, but I don't think the results would change very much. The more important questions address how different batch sizes will affect your capital costs and operation. Ten-barrel batches will give you more free time, but will they take too long to sell? Four ten-barrel fermenters would probably cost less than six seven-barrel fermenters, but would they force you to reduce the size of your tap list?
In general, I'm documenting my startup process so the info can be used as a resource for future brewery owners. I expect the info will be much more useful once I'm able to apply hindsight to it. Yes, I'll eventually move it all to a proper website.
Joe
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i am wondering about some other issues on cost per batch....
(looking at it from the viewpoint of what it costs my boss)
we know the amount of grain and hops from the recipe and can calculate that easily.
next would be the yeast-are we buying pitchable, propping it ourselves, or repitching...another easy thing to figure out.
brewer labor from cleaning and sanitizing fermenters and brite tanks before and after the brewing, filtering and transfering, and the actual brewing.
chemicals used up during the whole process.
what i don't know much about is factoring in the cost of water and heat/steam.
is there a general rule of thumb on the cost of water ($/gallon) and how do you go about getting an approximation of the cost of running a steam boiler for a steam based brewhouse?
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The JV Northwest brewing website has some typical energy consumption figures:
A boiler, which normally consumes either natural gas or electricity, should be included in one of those numbers. The Brewers Association's packaging breweries survey reports a generalized utilities expense as well, which you can see on this forum thread:
http://www.probrewer.com/vbulletin/s...ad.php?t=13212.
I like using broad industry data better than trying to add up the operating costs of each piece of equipment. It'll take a lot less time and the numbers should be reasonably close, even though they're vague. The margins of error on calculating individual expenses that you're not intimately familiar with can be huge.
Joe
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Originally posted by jwalts View PostHey Farmviking, I see that you just joined the forum this month. Welcome! I don't know if this particular topic has been discussed, but doing a search of the forums will often answer your questions. The reason I'm bringing it up is because I've posted several entries that direct people here:
I'm in the same boat as you - trying to open a brewpub - but I've brewed professionally for a few years, so hopefully that gives my advice a little bit of credibility. If you follow the 'Business Planning' link, you can download my financial projections spreadsheet. By plugging data from the 'Ingredients' tab into the 'Brewery' tab, you can estimate the expenses of different types of beers. Pale ale is probably not the best example because hopping quantities vary so widely, but here goes. I'm planning for a 7-bbl batch of pale ale to cost about $577 in ingredients, which assumes organic malt prices and non-organic hop prices (good luck finding prices for organic hops). If I add in my estimates for chemicals, utilities, repairs/maintenance and taxes, the expense becomes about $720. Adding labor results in a batch price of $1140; I assumed $60/bbl, which isn't used in my actual projections because I'm going to pay myself a flat rate for both brewing the beer and having tons of non-brewing responsibilities. For a ten-barrel batch, the expenses become $826, $1031 and $1631 respectively. All I did to get those numbers was change the batch size in the spreadsheet. Reformulating the recipes would probably be more insightful, but I don't think the results would change very much. The more important questions address how different batch sizes will affect your capital costs and operation. Ten-barrel batches will give you more free time, but will they take too long to sell? Four ten-barrel fermenters would probably cost less than six seven-barrel fermenters, but would they force you to reduce the size of your tap list?
In general, I'm documenting my startup process so the info can be used as a resource for future brewery owners. I expect the info will be much more useful once I'm able to apply hindsight to it. Yes, I'll eventually move it all to a proper website.
Joe
Your link is not active. I would love to be able to use this spreadsheet with your permission for my business plan. Could you reactivate the page?
Andy
Back Row Baptist Brewing
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Google stopped supporting those pages a long time ago, so my files have been here for a while:
I put this page together while a friend and I tried to open a small brewpub in Sun Prairie, WI in 2008-2009. If you're interested in our startup experiences, you can read about them at the RePublic Brewpub weblog. Since we dissolved the business, I've used this site primarily to share calculations
Joe
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Originally posted by jwalts View PostGoogle stopped supporting those pages a long time ago, so my files have been here for a while:
I put this page together while a friend and I tried to open a small brewpub in Sun Prairie, WI in 2008-2009. If you're interested in our startup experiences, you can read about them at the RePublic Brewpub weblog. Since we dissolved the business, I've used this site primarily to share calculations
Joe
Hello! I am not sure if you are still active on here. I would like to take a look at your spreadsheet for a new microbrewery project I am working on. I am hoping you can point me in the right direction. I don't see a link to "Business Plan" but I see the "Financial Model" link, the Financial Model excel sheet has a brewery tab but I don't see an "ingredient" link. I know it has been a couple of year since the last post, just wondering if you could still point me in the right direction. I am trying to come with the cost and sales for four different types of beer. Thanks so much.
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Hey tirouj,
The business plan is there, and the file name is BP_RePublic_Shared. The "Ingredients" tab was basically just a bunch of ingredient prices, and I got rid of it a long time ago because it was outdated (all of my financial assumptions are outdated at this point because I haven't revised them in years, but the ingredient prices were especially misleading). A better option than my old ingredient prices would be to contact a few suppliers and ask them for their latest price lists.
I hope this helps!
Joe
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Originally posted by jwalts View PostHey tirouj,
The business plan is there, and the file name is BP_RePublic_Shared. The "Ingredients" tab was basically just a bunch of ingredient prices, and I got rid of it a long time ago because it was outdated (all of my financial assumptions are outdated at this point because I haven't revised them in years, but the ingredient prices were especially misleading). A better option than my old ingredient prices would be to contact a few suppliers and ask them for their latest price lists.
I hope this helps!
Joe
Whatever happened to your brewpub? Did it ever get off the ground? If not, why?
I lived in Waunakee from 2009-2013 and played hockey in Sun Prairie. Loved living there and still miss it. After starting my brewing life in 2010 (in Madison), I'm considering opening a brewpub of my own, here in Rockford, MI. Any other advice you have would be greatly appreciated.
Robb
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